* FIA_ downloads hnk vol 3 I have to admit, it's kinda interesting too much action for me though too fast-paced It's a shounen manga. Unless you want to read something like Berserk. If Berserk is not talking about action... they give you all the dirt possible... Well, Slam Dunk waasn't this fast-paced wasn't Also started with Ichigo 100% I thought it would be all fanservice but it's actually a good read kinda shoujo-ish I still can't help laughing... whenever I see that haa tatatatatatatata! it is a war cry look, I know what it's supposed to be but that doesn't mean I can't find it funny :p ren should get here quick so she can join in the HnK debate we started earlier :3 also... kenshiro's stoic expression it seems like his face is always >( you have to understand Your best friend betrayed you and now, even your lover is dead. It's not like I haven't read that part in volume 1 And let's not forget one of the essence of assassin I'm not taking anything away from it at all I just find his expression funny Never show too much emotion. >( It's a face of a hardened fighter Almost like he never even moves his lips when he speaks coz his lips are always drawn closed except when he's hitting someone ooooh... nice muzik that's tetsou hara's style to show realism maybe so we don't really have our mouth opened widely when speaking and TH's inking style is another thing to be impressed about. not impressed all tagalog komiks look like that so it's not something new for me I doubt you can really compare its essence with hnk. and the inking, of course, gets better as the story progresses. essence smessence, you're extremely prejudiced but I'm not really a fan of tagalog komiks in the first place I have seen quit a few style.. you haven't been to my country, dude even those drawn by hongkong artists but it takes still to do toning B&W. jez fyn, we've had a toei animation branch here before I was even born. Toei Philippines. Most backgrounds for really old Toei animations were outsourced here. :) Manga >>>> Animation anyday Unless it' s Rozen Maiden Hah, you're tastes are extremely biased. I feel like pointing out a few other examples but then again, it would ultimately be wasted. haha I've seen through all your though patterns :3 thought Allow me to illustrate 1. reads manga 2. decides its good 3. someone recommends another manga 4. instant reaction: (you know this better than me :P) I got no idea what you mant *meant http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?p=52021#p52021 Ok, to put it bluntly, you only like things that you've experienced yourself. For example, what is the best manga in the world? (this question is unqualified) Go on, what is the best manga in the world? (just answer the question as honestly as possible) That's why I have no idea what you meant. To answer that Is there a best ending in WS? we can't continue this discussion unless you make an objective answer to that question. Just answer the question and you'll see what I mean don't give me rhetorical responses If you can answer that, you will have my answer, For me? That would be Fruits Basket "Is there a best ending in WS?" I'm not in the mood for rhetorical questions riddles that's the question heh, enough I've lost interest in the subject matter Well feel like giving me a straight answer? Did I ever tell about the best manga when discussing some of my favourites? nope that's not an answer though that's circulo en probando and we're back to square one In short, I don't have a "best manga" claim of now. Favourited, yes. Best, nope. fair enough you could have said that directly well then, what is your favorite manga? Hnk, Ashiteruze Baby, Super robot series, Kinnikuman, JJBA for example. that's plural choose one genre and one favorite How rude. Not everyone has a single genre and one favourite. It's not rude at all I'm just asking you to choose one genre and your favorite from that genre I'm not saying that it has to be your absolute favorite genre I'm just asking you to give an example from one genre Now you are back at square one. No I'm not Because you tried to make me think of the genre I find "best" I did not that was a misunderstanding Single - one and only. Above all. I'm just asking you to give an example from a single genre that's a narrow-minded construction of my statement That is the superlative noun. "choose one genre and one favorite" superlative or whatever, the statement should be understood based on the context of how the words are used. suffice it to say, I said it. Not each favourite for one genre So take my word for it Ok, have it your way Choose one favorite from one genre (This one genre is not the single, superlative, whatever, superior etc genre of genres) I won't as you wish because I told you (This one genre is not the single, superlative, whatever, superior etc genre of genres) I have varied interest in genres, not a sole one. (This one genre is not the single, superlative, whatever, superior etc genre of genres) give an example of said genre then I'm just asking you to give me one example of a manga that you like (in the simplest terms possible) no need for interpretation. I think that request was stated in clear and unequivocal terms :3 You have known about HnK and it being an action genre etc. What more you need to know? just say Hokuto no Ken if that's the one you've chosen some things need to be stated explicitly in order to foster understanding... anywayz I don't choose one out of my favourite, sonny. HnK it is That is claiming it as "the best" Who said that? Ok, so am I to understand that HnK is your favorite/one of your favorite action manga? Then why you cannot accept me putting in a handful of favourites? because I only need one example and not your handful. Your answer was unresponsive to what was being asked in the original question. understood? If you really wanted to find one of my favourite, I think it is written in stones for months that I had hnk as one of my favourites, with all the talk. Not at all That renders the question mundane. you mean moot Mundane = repetitive effort that tends to be insignificant but you need to state it directly when asked directly, otherwise it's unclear. Fine, mundane it is Let's move on. Would you say it's superior to... say... Basilisk? Comparative noun again, are we? Just answer the question. Don't give me analogies the question is answerable by simple 'yes' or 'no' with qualification if necessary Yes Happy? ok, why is it superior? Hello, I answered of course, that's a follow-up question Hi, I know you answered. I can read Now then, feel like qualifying your 'yes' response? with direct assertions and not vague analogies if possible How should I say it? Comparing an apple to a melon, perhaps? that's what I meant by "vague analogies" but continue. (also, I'm just doing this coz I'm bored :3) Basilisk has its good moments, but there are barely anything that is memorable in it. If you want to compare superiority, try something similar next time. Like Ninja Scroll to it. Really? I'd say the consistently recurring themes in the story are fascinating Try name all the characters without a wiki. Sorry, haven't seen Ninja Scroll. And no rewatching it Ok, let's say I can't. I'm not particular with proper nouns. what is that supposed to prove? When an event is memorable, so are the participants in it. But I did qualify that I'm not particular with proper nouns If a naruto wannabe can name all characters in hidden leaf village, why can't you? I remember Ogen and Kouga Danjou, for their sad past(And their rather sad fated homicide.) When an event is memorable, so are the participants in it. >>> non sequitur allow me to explain there is no clear connection between the event being memorable and the names of the participants being easy to remember When a event is memorable... You need to remember the participants, and what they did in that event. and where does this "need" arise? Or you prefer to remember it as "Mr spider guy later got stabbed to death by hotarubi in murderous way"? you see, what is true to the whole may not be true to the individual parts and vice versa it's an established fallacy in the art of argumentation and debate I remember Shin, because of his commitment to his unanswered love. that's another fallacy Also for all other characters that died as Kenshiro journeyed. you're using your own experience to make generalizations that apply to the rest of otakudom example, my sister remembers Shin Sawada because she says she's a bishounen Now now, you asked for my reason why I find hnk to be superior to basilisk does that mean that Shin Sawada is a memorable event? How memorable is an event of someone being a bishounen? Is it memorable to you? and you made a sweeping generalization which was started by a question directed at me That example is flawed No, because I'm not gay... hehe You reaped what you sowed. You asked for my reasoning between both titles. And I have to say, I find more memorable events in hnk than basilisk. Happy? Ok, I'll accept that as the first non-fallacious statement you've made thus far. I enjoy this ;3 Macbeth is not remembered for just the name. who cares about Macbeth? i don't remember this discussion involving Shakespeare It is due to the character himself who had shown a few memorable events, which turned from a noble warrior to a vile one. of course, that does apply to Macbeth... apparently Or should I say, or so you claim so are you saying that applies to the manga argument now? A manga tells a story, no? That's a material fallacy More specifically, a fallacy of equivocation The assumption that what is true of a term used in one sense is also true of the same term used in another sense. and to be even more specific it is type A of equivocation fallacies of quantity Then tell me what is different of a story found in a play and a manga. settings, character, plot structure, narrative style, genre, do I continue? aha...aha...ahahahaha! what can work in a manga can work in a play, and vice versa. And you know, using the word 'fallacy" too much gets a little boring. ah, but that's called precision of language i'm accurately naming your fallacious arguments Might as well ask you what is fallacy about it. what can work in a manga can work in a play. The opposite is also true Ok allow me to explain "and vice versa = the opposite is also true" yes, I failed to read that we move on There are two types of fallacies Rhetorical and logical rhetorical = errors of understanding or of interpretation logical erros in reasoning errors A fallacy is a type reasoning that appears to be valid but is intrinsically invalid which means that the content contains contradictions. They are handily classified further into subgroups Session Time: Fri Jun 27 00:00:00 2008 Rhetorical Fallacies are classified into four incorrect obversion, incorrect conversion, fallacy of accent, fallacy of amphibiology (free pol. sci. lessons from prof. lordcloudx :3) want me to continue? as long as you are not diverting from the actual subject as we speak. ok Let's define Incorrect obversion It is the changing of the original propostion from affirmative to negative or vice versa without changing the meaning of the original propostion let me think of an example to make it clear... All lemmasoft members have benasu All OELVN are bad This is incorrect obversion in action All lemmasoft nenbers have benasu and.... no lemmasoft members have benasu notice that I changed the original proposition from affirmative to negative which changes the meaning of the original proposition we move on to Incorrect conversion And so I do a wiki search to save you time to write them more. the transposition of the subject and the predicate of the propositon without changing the meaning of the original proposition. So how are my posts being fallacy equivocation? wikipedia always lies they don't Now you just are having Incorrect obversion good, you're learning so did you, unfortunately "they don't" is unqualified back to your question How so? I just said wikipedia does not always lie. but it does does not always can mean, it sometimes lies, sometimes doesn't haha, you got me. Just playing around. back to your question now... if you please So I never caused an Incorrect observion yes, yes whatever I'll give you that now back to your original question without interruptions if you please I'm all ears till 1 o'clock right... reading the backlog here it is "When an event is memorable, so are the participants in it." this equivocation is How so? Won't you recalled what each participants, if given name, did on that very event? How Kouga Danjou backstabbed Ogen with those assassin needles? How Ogen retialated later on? you assert that what is true of a whole taken collectively is true of a part taken individually or that what is true of a part taken singly is true of the whole taken collectively. No, not always see? How will it be "not always"? When an event is memorable, the participants might also be memorable. it depends on the type of event, the personality of the person tasked with remembering the event and other factors. Try giving me a memorable event, that its participant is not memorable. take 9/11 for example. It's clearly a memorable event. You wanted me to name all those deceased now? Not at all Or the code of the plane that crashed on it? the event itself is memorable but not the participants it just proved my point Nope Whoever has any relations to the victims will And mind tell me why you are taking it to real life from manga and play, mr cloud? haha! Prove it? Because the example is relevant. You are diverting from the main discussion as we speak. Event applies to any event when unqualified and you never qualify your statements We are talking about events in a fiction but ok, I can play it your way Knock knock. Who asked me to compare between hnk and basilisk in the first hand? Now don't add in 9-11 into the discussion. It's rude for the deceased. both are of the action genre and the fact that you did answer my question means that you gave up any right you had to question its validity long ago It's not rude to the deceased at all. None of my statements were disrespectful to them in any way Now if I take your line of reasoning Observe... So what is my question? Is it "What is fallacy equivocation in my posts" or "Is 9=11 memorable together with its participants"? Observe... this is your line of reasoning "Now don't add in 9-11 into the discussion. It's rude for the deceased." How am I being rude to the deceased? You said that I was being rude to the deceased. I was not being rude to the deceased end of example but not the participants it just proved my point don't answer that It's true, the participants were not memorable from my perspective. Nothing disrespectful about that. It just proves that I don't care about them. while I understand that they have nothing to do with both of us. Stating them to be not memorable and easily forgotten sounds rude to me. I just qualified that they were not memorable from my perspective. end of 9/11 discussion :3 tsk... boring... Less coal throwing now. your wierd use of metaphors never ceases to amaze me. what's with this "coal-throwing" business? grr... I gues ren's not coming today. Coal is necessary to keep the fire, and burnt coal right at the face is not a healthy thing at all. so? what's with this "coal-throwing" business? (again) "3 :3 If you cannot give me a right answer to that last question of mine instead of diverting once again, maybe we should stop? what question? please restate i might have missed it The whole thing about my answer being fallacy equivocation. That fruit basket for example. what now? Any event that makes you remember it? Do you remember every participants in it? not at all I just like it I'm not particular with proper nouns then your definition of "favourite" differs from mine. of course, for one, I use the American spelling and you use the classic British spelling... haha Different spelling will still result in similar meaning regarding this letter. No argument there, it was an attempt at humor thus the "haha" Also, it's a word and not a letter. also... to provoke discussion, is ignorantia elenchi listed in the wiki on fallacies? * Kikered_ has joined #baka-trio welcome Hey there How's it going? you missed a gooood argument lemme get you a log 'Good arguments' kinda sounds like an oxymoron. =P not exactly Argumentation is the art of influencing others through the medium of reasoned discourse the idea has merit http://animerd2k2.net/chatters.txt have fun :3 I sure did :P can't talk much in #renpy or tommy might find both of us changing our nicks again. refresh the file if it's cut off I just reuploaded it k hee hee! It was frustrating but fun Solution: disconnect and change nick before re-entering the channel. =P I wanna keep this nick until ren gets here Ha kore http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1786/girly1ip5.jpg also, show that log to drake if he's here while I'm not around. I'm sure he'll find it amusing Ahahaha see? Isn't it a fun read? it's worthy of a spot in the channel logs That was for your picture. =P oooooh Reading log now darn I wonder... why the snake lost the head.